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day and night. sean. >> sean: mayor de blasio, they are assaulting her officers. step up. thank you, trace gallagher. we will always be fair, balanced. we seek the truth, we are not the destroy-trump media mob, facts without fear. let not your heart be troubled. laura has a great show. you have the attorney general. >> laura: yes. so you had the president last night and then you go to number two and then i go to whatever number that is in the cabinet. i don't know. barr, it's a great interview. >> sean: you sound like a liberal. >> laura: i'm not. believe me, that's one thing no one's ever accused me of but i appreciate that. >> sean: so many developments with this deep state -- wow. it's about to blow wide open. i can't wait to watch. >> laura: we ask about john durham and the firing of the inspector general. the left going nuts on a whole host of non-covid friends. we tackle that with him. it's going to be a two-part interview but i'm looking forward to everyone watching
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you. a great show as always. >> sean: i'll be watching. thank you. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham and this is the ingraham angle from washington tonight. in moments as we just discussed mike's ghost of interview attorney general bill barr. i ask him about the really important issue of protecting our civil liberties as we balance the interests of health and protecting the vulnerable in our society during this national emergency. and what's being done at the same time to hold china accountable. plus, new questions about how we are classifying deaths of those testing positive for covid-19. a doctor with firsthand knowledge of this joins us later in the hour. and democrats face plant with their face masks? no, it can't be. raymond arroyo is here and he breaks it all down on the seen and unseen. in a moment, my interview with the attorney general, but first, this is america in shutdown, day 23. today we learned that tuesday was the deadliest day of all for
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our fellow citizens in this covid-19 battle. nearly 2,000 succumbed to the disease, 779 in new york alone. new york accounts for 44% of all deaths in the united states now. in new york city, just wrap your mind around this, a staggering 73% of all deaths in the state of new york. but as heartbreaking as those numbers are, and indeed they are heartbreaking, there are more signs tonight that we are turning the corner in this fight. >> there is good news and what we are seeing. that what we have done and what we are doing is actually working and is making a difference. it is flattening the curve, and we see that again today. >> laura: and meanwhile, in the greater d.c. maryland virginia area, the ih mee model production are being revised downward, that's the number we
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wanted to go in the direction we want to go in again. a member that's the model of the university of washington that botched the projections on how many hospital beds, icu beds and ultimately ventilators we would need across the country. researchers from the ihme now project 891 deaths in virginia during the initial covid-19 wa wave. that's down from a projection of 1,041 deaths just a few days ago. repeat, the projections from just a few days ago were wildly off. it's really confusing. so far in virginia, only 75 people have died from covid, yet we have yet to hear anything about this from virginia governor ralph northam, who arbitrarily shut down the commonwealth until june 11th. in maryland, ih me now says that 1,094 will die of covid-19. at that figure, while you think about it, a lot of people, it is
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a lot of people. that's down more than 50% from the 2,326 deaths the research team expected on monday. again, just a few days ago, a 50% change in that projection. marilyn governor larry hogan shut down his state indefinitely. a question came to mind, maybe to yours as well, will he change those plans given the new numbers? they always say that they are data-driven. we will see i guess just how much they meant that. the angle believes, as i've said since the emergency began, that it is extremely important that we have full transparency on the data, the methodology, and the objective metrics set for reopening our country when this crisis evades. we know that no one is omniscient and dr. fauci is right, that no model will ever be perfect, it's just never
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going to happen, but the projections here, we are not off by 10%, 15%, 20%. they were off by a factor of 33 from 2.2 million projected covid debts at the top, which was terrifying, to a little bit more than 60,000 deaths projected today. speak of the big projection being 2.2 million people would die if we did nothing. that was another decision we've made, close it up. if that was a big decision that we made. two very smart people walked into my office and they said, listen, these are your alternatives that was a projection of i guess 1.5-2.2 million people would die if we didn't close it up. that's a lot of people. >> laura: he's right. and 60,000 deaths, well, that's bad too. that's not good. every single life is precious. every single life should be mourned from every race,
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religion and creed. but at the same time, let's not forget that the ongoing devastation to our larger american economy during this long period of no school, no work, worship and basically basically no travel, it's a devastating blow. well, the president thankfully remains realistic but optimist optimistic. >> we're getting closer, you see the numbers, we are getting much closer to getting our country back to the way it was. at some point we are all going to win. we are going to do it sooner than people think. >> laura: this is extremely difficult, but we need more hope, less hysteria, more perspective, less panic. and those are my thoughts at the end of day 23, america in shutdown. earlier today i sat down with attorney general bill barr to talk about everything from civil liberties in the age of covid-19 to how we intend to hold china
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accountable. >> laura: mr. attorney general, it's great to see you, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> laura: right now we have no freedom of worship, public worship to go and gather. no real freedom of assembly, not even freedom of movement given what some of the states are doing. what can you tell our viewers tonight about what the justice department will do after this limited period to ensure that our civil liberties are balanced properly against the need to protect the public? >> well, you know, generally speaking there are occasions where liberties have to be restricted during certain emergencies such as war or in this case the potentially devastating pandemic. but they have to be balanced, whatever steps you take have to be balanced against the civil liberties of the american people and it cannot be used as an excuse for broad deprivations of
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liberty. so as things proceed, you know, we are going to be interested both what the federal government is imposing and also backing sure that that's justified, but also with the states do. states have very broad -- as you know, what we call police powers, very broad powers that the federal government doesn't have to regulate the lives of their citizens as long as they don't violate the constitution. so we will be keeping a careful eye on that. >> laura: governor cuomo spoke out this week very forcefully, this holy wood for christians, beasley passover as well for jewish americans. about the importance of not gathering together to celebrate and i want you to listen. >> now is not the time for large religious gatherings. i mean, we paid this price already. we learned this lesson. you do no one a service by making this worse and infecting
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more people. >> laura: at one point in time do americans feel like they're going to able to have that right back at the federal government will stand up if local officials continue this all-out prohibition going forward? >> well, as you know, and as i indicated in my notre dame speech, i think religious liberty is the first liberty. it is the foundation of our republic and a free society depends upon it, religious life among the people. so anytime that's encroached upon by the government, i'm very, very concerned. as a technical matter, as you know, in facing an emergency, the government can put whatever -- whatever restrictions the government is willing to put anybody else like athletic events or concerts and so forth, they can't technically do it to religion as well as long as they're not singling out religion, as long as it's really necessary, so i would hate to see restrictions on
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religion continue longer than they are strictly necessary and also i think we -- when this 30-day period ends, i think we have to consider alternative ways of protecting people. >> laura: i guess he's focused on a lot of the funerals that the hasidic jews are having in new york where they gather tightly together to mourn and to pray. and so that's the concern. i tweeted out something earlier today, these are inalienable rights. and there are a lot of americans today forewarning those who lost their lives in this horrible virus will also say government doesn't have this right to take -- this right to take our rights away. even when the experts are saying this is a horrible time for us healthwise. and they are very worried, increasingly worried i think as time goes on, but they've been very patient as well. >> i think they have been patient and i think we have to be very careful to make sure
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that the drew crony and measures that are being adopted fully justified and they're not alternative ways of protecting people. and i think when his period of time at the end of april expires, i think we have to allow people to adapt more than we have, not just tell people to go home and hide under the bed, but allow them to use other ways, social distancing and other means, to protect themselves. >> laura: weatherby, time in the future, perhaps after this april 30th date, where a state somewhere or local officials who declares no religious services with no accommodations that there's a lawsuit filed, federal civil rights lawsuit against that government action, whether it's by executive decree, locally, or statewide, or whether it's by the federal government. i mean, one with that happen and
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would you take the lawsuit, when would you take action? >> we've seen situations even up till now where some jurisdictions have imposed -- on religion. also find other kinds of gatherings and events and we [inaudible] up at points at the local governments couldn't do that, whatever they were doing to churches they had to do to everybody and they changed the rules to be neutral in that respect. we are going to keep an eye on all these actions that restrict people's liberty. but by the same token, in a situation that is essentially a kin to wartime, there are -- you know, the government can impose certain limitations. >> laura: but in more time we had a supreme court that was still in session. we had a congress -- i don't believe everyone out of session. for any length of time. and now we are in wartime now and we have the executive branch. congress is back home in their district and the supreme court is closed. how is that the whole of government approach to fighting a pandemic when it's just the
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executive branch? >> well, congress has taken action fairly substantially. >> laura: spending a lot of money, yet. >> they certainly had the ability to provide guidance and restrictions on how we responded to this. they chosen to do what they've done and they are certainly free to come back into session anytime they want to make a course adjustment. the supreme court has for a period of time, certainly during this 30-day period, stopped their usual business. >> laura: but you see i'm saying, the rule of law still applies during the pandemic. the rule of law -- i mean, are inalienable rights, the law of the land. i mean, this -- it all still exists and we don't want to set a precedent where every time experts declare crisis and it's scary and a lot of people are going to die that we just lose our ability to function as a government and the executive branch -- i mean i know you're
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the executive branch now, but when we don't have that whole of government real approach to safeguard the liberties of the american people. >> one of the things that i think the president has done very well here is to use the strength of the federal system where certain decisions should be made in washington perhaps, but also allowing each state to adapt to the situation that confronts it and make their own choices and that's a form of protecting liberty. the federal system is a form of protecting liberty. to have the government closest to the people make those decisions, so i think we do have that protection. you're right in the general sense that there is a power for the government to take extraordinary steps in genuine emergencies. that adversely creates a slippery slope or what you call an emergency? and i am concerned that we not get into the business of declaring everything in emergency and then using these kinds of sweeping extraordinary steps.
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but given where we were back in march, i think the president made the right decision. i think the president has made the right decisions for the right reasons. i think the against the advice of many people he closed the borders and i think when the history of this is written, that's going to have saved a lot of lives. i think that given the uncertainty that surrounded this and the possibility that it was so contagious that it would swamp our health care system, he supported the appropriate moves for a limited period of time. >> laura: will you be recommended going forward any type of changes to protocols at our borders, our ports of entry -- there's always the a lot of legal implications there. health screenings of people coming into the country. again, given the deprivation of americans liberties due to a virus that came without getting into the details, but it came from a foreign entity, namely here china? >> absolutely. and i think is horrible as this
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is and as tragic as it is, there are a couple of good things that could flow from this experience and one is to once again appreciate the importance of borders and controlling who is coming into the country. i felt for a long time, as much as people talk about global warming, that the real threat to human beings are microbes and being able to control disease, and that starts with controlling the border. so i think people will be more attuned to more protective measures, but also the supply chain issue. the idea that much of what we need to protect the health of the american people is in the control of foreign governments who can interdict and say we are not shipping stuff to the united states when everyone else in the world wants it during the pandemic, a crazy situation to get into. happened before this administration and the president is trying to deal with it. >> laura: this virus originated in china, we still don't have all the data, we
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still don't really know about patient zero in china. a lot of that data is being withheld still from united states and top medical people are saying that. what about the justice department getting involved more, i guess obviously come to the american people in his battle against the ongoing propaganda machine of china in the united states at our universities and businesses? in the white house press room the other day. >> yes. the department is heavily engaged in that. in fact, that's one of our highest priorities in the counterintelligence realm, counterespionage realm and protection of trade secrets as our activities directed to defend against the chinese. the chinese are engaged in a full-court blitzkrieg stealing american technology, trying to influence our political system, trying to steal secrets at our research universities and so
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forth and we are focused on it. we have something we call the china initiative. we've brought a lot of indictments, but it's something that we also have to exposed by letting the business community understand the exact nature of the threat. >> laura: given what you know today about the panoply of abuses internationally against the united states. who's the bigger threat to america's election security, russia or china? >> in my opinion it's china. not just the election process, but i think across the board there's simply no comparison. china is a very serious threat to the united states geopolitically, economically, militarily, and a threat to the integrity of our institutions given their ability to influence things. >> laura: and get our premier academic institutions, harvard
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university, our top schools across the country have welcomed chinese students in to learn and to take part in research here. with that document it abuses, ongoing federal investigations, indictments in boston against a harvard university professor for conspiring with the chinese allegedly. any thoughts on those ongoing federal grants to institutions where, again, this is an all-out blitzkrieg, why are we allowing all of these chinese in the united states? >> well i think we are trying to tighten up on those programs and a number of the universities working closely with the government to understand what the nature of the threat is, but it's not just universities. i mean, universities are part of the problem, but a lot of american businesses just for short-term profit or what they see as a short-term profit, they know over the long run it's not going to be long term benefit to their business, but just for short-term gain, they are
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perhaps not doing what is necessary in the long term interest the united states. >> laura: coming up later in the show, more of my exclusive interview with the attorney general, including what he says about the left's wildly partisan response to the coronavirus pandemic. plus, the shocking claim from a minnesota doctor about what he's being told to do with the number of covid-19 deaths. he joins us to tell his story next. there was a time when this represented the future.
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comes in with coronavirus, goes to nicu and they have an underlying heart condition and they die, they will say cause of death heart attack. i cannot see that happening. >> laura: that was from yesterday's white house briefing and it sparked a nationwide debate over how we count deaths from covid-19, do we count someone who tests positive for the virus but died of pneumonia as a covid death? what about someone who dies with symptoms of the disease but was actually never tested? it's actually crucial information. covid death stats inform the models that guides federal and state government responses to the crisis, really important. italy, very interesting, has been grappling with the same debate for weeks. mentioned it two weeks ago, i'll mention it again. here's what the daily telegraph reported. according to professor walter, scientific advisor to italy's minister of health, this is what he said come he said the way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus
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are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus. on reevaluation by the national institute of health, only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus while 88% of patients who have died have at least one premorbidity. many have two or three. my next guest is a doctor and state senator in minnesota who is deeply troubled by the cdc's latest guidance for accounting covid death. dr. scott jensen joins me now. doctor, i want to read for our viewers what the cdc says in part about how to count covid deaths leading to that last issue we just raised. in cases where a definite diagnosis of covid cannot be made but is suspected or likely, like the circumstances are compelling with a reasonable degree of certainty, it is acceptable to report covid-19 on a death certificate as probable or presumed. so, doctor, what's the problem
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with that? >> in short, it's ridiculous. i spent some time earlier today just going through the cdc's manual on how to complete death certificates and the parts that were specifically written for physicians and in that manual it talks about precision and specificity, and that's what we are trained with. the determination of cause of death is a big deal. it has impacts on estate planning, it has impacts on future generations. in the idea that we are going to allow people to massage and sort of game the numbers is a real issue because we are going to undermine the trust and right now as we see politicians doing things that aren't necessarily motivated on fact and science, the public is going to -- their trust in politicians is already wearing thin. >> laura: and, doctor, in that same cdc guidance sheet on covid-19, and references the fact that basically this is a judgment call for doctors on how to -- you know, i read it.
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what goes on line one and then what goes online to code and what goes on the final line as far as contributing factors and ultimate cause of death, that they concede that it is a judgment call. again, why is that not correct? >> well, let's just take influenza. if i have a patient die a month ago, had fever, cough, and died after three days and maybe had been an elderly, fragile individual and there happened to be an influenza epidemic around our community, i wouldn't put influence on the death certificate. i've never been encouraged to do so. i would probably -- respiratory arrest to be the top line in the underlying cause of this disease would be pneumonia in the conservative factors i might well put emphysema, congestive heart failure but i would never put influenza down is the underlying cause of death and yet that's what we are being asked to do here. >> laura: dr. fauci was asked about the covid death count today. here's what he said in part.
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>> what do you say to those folks who were making the claim without really any evidence that these deaths are being padded, that the number of covid-19 deaths are being padded? >> you will always have conspiracy theories when you have very challenging public health crises. they are nothing but distractions. >> laura: conspiracy theories, doctor, so you're engaging in conspiracy theories, what you say to dr. fauci tonight? >> i would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward. right now medicare has determined that if you have a covid-19 admission to the hospital you'll get paid $13,000. if that covid-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000. three times as much. nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do. some physicians really have an
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event towards a public health and they will put on influenza or whatever because that's their preference. i try to stay very specific, very sparse ice. if i know i've got pneumonia, that's what's going on the death certificate. i'm not going to add stuff just because it's convenient. i think that -- >> laura: it's interesting -- >> this is -- >> laura: so you reject what he said. >> absolutely. >> laura: it's interesting that in italy, where its socialized medicine, i guess they don't have an interest in the money, if that's what it is here, and they just went back and they started reclassifying deaths. according to their top scientific advisor. so they admitted that they were being liberal, or generous on how they coded some of these deaths, and they're just going back and reclassifying them, does that surprise you? >> it really does. let's just take some getting hit by a bus. they collapsed along and they go into the emergency room and they are there for 15, 20 minutes, blood work comes back, covid
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test comes back positive and they die 20 but its later because of the collapsed lung, we are going to put that down as covid-19? that doesn't make any sense. >> laura: dr. jensen, really important conversation, we really, really appreciate your data and perspective. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> laura: coming up, bernie sanders says he's dropping out of the 2020 race. devastating, but is biden ready to leave the party? raymond arroyo breaks it all down. seen and unseen, plus part two of my exclusive interview with attorney general barr, you don't want to miss a minute of that coming up.
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♪ >> laura: it's time for our seen and unseen segment where we reveal the stories and headlines. with details, and joined a raymond arroyo, fox news contributor, now in paperback. raymond, after losing a string of democratic primaries, so sad, bernie sanders ended or suspended his presidential campaign today with this threatening overture. >> i will stay on the ballot in all remaining states and continue to gather delegates. we must continue working to assemble as many delegates as possible at the democratic convention where we will be able to exert significant influence over the party platform and other functions. >> there was no endorsement here of fighting. none. this was a call to the revolution to continue. you heard what bernie said.
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he wants to continue to collect delegates so he can drive the party platform even further to the left, but if bernie's ideas were as mainstream as he claims there, why is into the democratic nominee? >> laura: yeah, i mean, this is like go to the barricades moment. this is not i'm going to go quietly into that, good night. no way, what else? >> meanwhile, the bernie burroughs insistses, the already making demands, several progressive groups demanding that biden given medicare for all. demolish ice, add supreme court seats and unless he agrees to these things they won't support him. he's in trouble. but look, the lane is open for biden but he's already drifted far to the left on gun control, taxation. but given his basement campaign performances and how malleable he seems to be he may go even further. here he is with his wife jill at a recent town hall. i wish she'd stop staring at people's podcasts, laura. >> thanks for joining us and,
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you know, we are happy to see all of you. >> am i supposed to say something now? >> you can say something. >> hi, everybody, it's great to see you all. if you have really great podcasts. >> [laughs] you know you're in trouble when biden says you've got great-looking podcasts, kid. >> laura: well. >> he's all over the place, he's waiting to be prompted by his wife about his own speech to his supporters. this is choreographed to the nth degree -- i just don't see how he remains a competitor going to november, i really don't. >> laura: i got to say, raymond, the president was so magnanimous -- and biden back to him about their conversation the other day about the pandemic the president -- present troubles like it was a really warm and wonderful conversation. kind of like you have with your grandfather during the pandemic, so even though they're only five years apart, it was kind of very -- it was very nice, i enjoyed that. raymond, to be fair though -- to be fair, we got to be fair here.
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biden's vision for election during a pandemic, pretty clear, watch. >> we cannot let this -- we've never allowed any crisis from the civil war straight through to the pandemic of 17 -- 16 -- we have never, never let our democracy take second fiddle. we can both have a democracy and elections and at the same time correct the public health. >> laura, could you diagram that's intense for me? i'd be interested in seeing that. you need a wall or two to do it. the man is all over the place. last night he was on cnn contradicting himself in the same sentence. >> the coronavirus is not his fault. he is the commander-in-chief. he should be taking full responsibility. >> so is not responsible, but is the commander-in-chief, he's responsible. it's unbelievable. >> laura: i like that chris cuomo and the black t-shirt though. that's very -- he looks like he is doing well and i'm happy
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about that. good for him. biden's memory lapses are now fairly common, so common that he is -- it's to just admit to them, raymond. i think we can't take that away from him. here's another clip from last night. >> we are going to get the election results and about, what, another week or so. i forget the day. kellyanne conway, miss conway, who i don't know, i've never met, set about 45 -- i can't remember the exact date. >> there's one thing joe biden has no problem remembering, this is a podcast he did the other day with michigan governor and possible running mate gretchen whitmer. listen. >> my daughter and i enjoyed it when you were in michigan and we shared your fig newtons. >> that's right, i had some, i remember that. >> well, he remembers that, laura. that's something. >> laura: that can happen actually. if those little tidbits, memory with taste and sound. that is retained.
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other things kind of disappear. >> i have to share this with you before we run out of time. as you know, the cdc, laura, recommends that americans wear masks in public. some democratic leaders might need instructions like chuck schumer. look at this. if he is walking outside. chuck needs to know, the mask goes over your nose, chuck, not beneath the nose. walking around -- >> laura: where is sheila jackson lee? >> sheila jackson lee, hers keeps slipping off her nose and she is touching face repeatedly. this is not good. i'm afraid they're exposing themselves to more. anyway, may they all be safe. >> laura: it be safe, raymond. part two of my exclusive interview with attorney general bill barr is next announcer: there are everyday
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>> laura: now more of my exclusive interview with attorney general bill barr. >> laura: bill gates, the gate foundation, are in favor of developing agile certificates that would certify that individuals, american citizens, have an immunity to this virus and potentially other viruses going forward to then facilitate travel and work and so forth. what are your thoughts from a civil libertarian point of view about these types of, what some would say tracking mechanisms, going forward to reopen our broader economy? >> i'm very concerned of that slippery slope in terms of the continuing encroachments on personal liberty. i do think during emergency, appropriate reasonable steps are fine. >> laura: but a digital certificate to show who has
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recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine, people who have received it. that's his answer on a reddit ask me anything. >> would be a little concerned about that. and the tracking of people and so forth. generally, especially going forward over along period of time. >> laura: a surprised at how wildly partisan a response to this pandemic has become in the united states? i know everything's political but this is about saving lives and saving the broader life of america and get from a drug like hydroxychloroquine that's been around for 65 years, 70 years, other measures the president has taken, working with democratic governors quite well it looks like. it never seems to be good enough. >> i haven't been surprised at it. in fact it's very disappointing because i think the president went out at the beginning of this thing and really was
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statesmanlike, trying to bring people together, working with all the governors, keeping his patients as he got these snarky gotcha questions from the media pool. and the stridency of the partisan attacks on him has gotten higher and higher and it's gotten disappointing to see in the politicization of things like eye drops of quark one has been amazing to me. before the president said anything about it, there was fair and balanced coverage of this very promising drug and the fact that it had such a long track record but the risks were pretty well known and as soon as he said something positive about it, the media has been on a to discredit the drug. it's been quite strange. >> laura: there's a lot of concern now given the length of this time, the concern when you hear dr. fauci say we probably can't go back to normal life until a vaccine, which would be like 12 months, 18 months, that
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if things don't open up pretty soon, over some gradual reopening with new protocols, all that, there's a concern about social unrest. you're seeing a lot of stores boarded up in san francisco, chicago, detroit, st. louis. you're seeing more of that. if small businesses affected especially by theft and other criminal activity. how concerned are you about the social unrest and criminal activity in an ongoing shutdown? >> i mean, i think if we extend a full shutdown, that's a real threat in some of our communities, but i don't think it's limited to that. i think the president is absolutely right. we cannot keep for along period of time, our economy shutdown. just on the public health front. it means less -- cancer researchers are at home. a lot of the disease researchers who will save lives in the future, that's being held.
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the money that goes into these institutions, whether it's philanthropic sources are government sources is going to be reduced. we will have a weaker health care system if we go into a deep depression, so just measure it in lives, the cure cannot be worse than the disease, but when you think of everything else, generations of families who have built up businesses for generations in this country and recent immigrants who have built up businesses, small businesses that may not be able to come back if this goes on too long, so we have to find, after the 30-day period, we have to find a way of allowing businesses to adapt to the situation and figure out how they can best get started. that's not necessarily instantaneously going to -- >> laura: people are going to be afraid to go out for a long period of time. they will be afraid to go to restaurants, may be won't go to their health clubs. people have to have confidence
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that it's decently safe out there to move around. >> we also have to make ppe more broadly available. restaurants have to change the protocol. >> laura: that's the only way they make money, paying this jacked up rent. >> that's a danger. that's a danger. i think we have to allow people to figure out ways of getting back to work and keep their workers and customers safe. i'm not suggesting we stop social distancing overnight. there may come a time where we have to worry less about that. i don't know when that will be. >> laura: one question i didn't ask before, federalism, states rights, the president has been very clear on that during this health crisis. are you surprised that certain states, new jersey in particul particular, had come in to say that gun stores are nonessential, gun shops are nonessential but abortion
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facilities are essential, given what we are facing? >> i'm not surprised. that's where our politics are these days. but i beasley the federal government agreed that gun stores are essential. >> laura: and abortion facilities in texas deemed nonessential by the governor, lieutenant governor very strong on that, that's a lot of legal challenges? because think it was just upheld. >> laura: do you foresee that continuing, those types of challenges going forward? against what is essential in a crisis? >> again, after this period where we are -- you know, we have very strong restrictions in place. hopefully there won't be a need for those kinds of distinctions to be made. >> laura: you think people are going to have those benevolent approaches? the left is clearly trying to use this to reshape american society. never let a crisis go to waste. now we're doing a decline meant
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change policy and a massive wealth three distribution for the disparities in health care. that's what all these democrat politicians are not talking about going forward. >> i'm concerned about that. >> laura: how was this changed her daily life? it's changed everybody's lives. we've never lived through anything like this, just personally reflect on it. because i still come in most days and we sit at the conference table very spread out when we need a meeting. we do more by telephone and by a group teleconference and videoconference then we have before. >> laura: do you take her temperature is you coming? >> i take my temperature. i'm tested occasionally at the white house when i'm going in to see the president. and, you know, we're starting to -- spp becomes available beyond the health care industry,
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where wearing more ppe. >> laura: will you wear a mask on a public if you just had to go to the grocery today? i know you don't go to the grocery store, but if you had to go to the grocery store, mr. attorney general. >> actually wear a mask. i wear a mask in my security detail wear masks when we go in every morning and we go home and frequently i will wear it here in the office. i didn't think you'd let me wear it on the show. [laughs] >> laura: a little -- a little design or anything, or just a little -- >> little smiley face on it. >> laura: mr. attorney general, thank you so much for joining. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> laura: if you thought that was all, oh, no, a lot more, and what we haven't shown you yet, we will give you a sneak peek next. my age-related macular degeneration could lead to vision loss.
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>> laura: all right, it's time for the last bite. we will hear more from attorney general bill barr tomorrow night, but here's a sneak peek. he told me what he really thinks about the russia hoax. >> the president has every right to be frustrated, because i think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in american history without any basis. they started this investigation of his campaign. and even more concerning actually is what happened after the campaign, events while he was president, so to sabotage
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the presidency. and i think that -- or at least had the effect of sabotaging the presidency. >> laura: up more with attorney general barr tomorrow night, 10:00 p.m., don't miss it. that's all the time we have for tonight, shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take all the latest of elements from he here. >> shannon: we will, laura, thank you so much. capitol hill scrambling to funnel billions more to small businesses as topper republicans accuse house democrats of playing politics with america's economy. wait until you hear what senator john kennedy has to say, he joins us in minutes. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in washington. white house correspondent kevin corke kicks us off with talk of nationwide surveillance plan. it could track covid cases in order to help the federal government plan for recovery it's also raising privacy concerns tonight. >> it's hitting the top and it's starting to come down. in one person said easter is looking like a good time. a good t